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Martin Schreibman is a man with a vision for the future, and that vision involves a lot of fish tanks - in downtown Brooklyn. Watch Video above.
Like many progressive thinkers, he is a proponent of creating better food, more jobs, and a better life for people in cities. But his preferred method for accomplishing all this - urban aquaculture - means he is at times viewed as both a revolutionary on the cusp of greatness and as a scientist working on the intellectual fringe. A few years ago, many would have put him in the latter category. But these days, with sustainable and green living en vogue, Schreibman and his ideas are a hot commodity.
Founder and director of the Aquatic Research and Environmental Assessment Center at CUNY’s Brooklyn College, Schreibman is attracting attention for his idea that New York can be a bustling hub of aquaculture-bred commerce, and he’s testing the waters in the basement of the AREAC building in Brooklyn. His belief (and there’s a certain gospel in the numbers of fish in tanks in his basement) is that the time is nigh for urban fisheries to join urban gardens in contributing to sustainable cities. Fisheries create food and jobs, and they replenish depleted fish populations.
As far as Schreibman is concerned, it’s a win-win-win, no matter how you slice it.
You are a neuroendocrinologist. Tell me a bit about how you transitioned from studying osmoregulation to becoming a champion of urban aquaculture.
Gee, I like that title - champion of urban aquaculture. This is a driving force with me now. I worked with fish since my graduate school days, which was a long time ago, in lieu of working with rats and hamsters and rabbits - stuff like that. One of the projects we spent a lot of time on was the relationship between environment and genetics and age at puberty and what controls maturation, sexual development, and that sort of stuff. Our interest in reproduction of fishes led us to work on questions of inducing maturation and spawning in captivity by regulating the neuroendocrine system. Further on down the line, we developed a center which had broader implications.
Did you have a light-bulb moment, when you saw that what you were doing could actually lead to something completely different?
I think everything just developed step-by-step. I do get these light-bulb moments, and most people say, “Martin you’re crazy, stupid idea, blahblahblah.” And some of them come to pass. I used to drive by this landfill, a waste treatment plant, and I would see this smoke go up. It’s New York, it’s cold out there, and I would think, “Why don’t they harness that energy that’s being dissipated and grow tropical fish?” And my colleagues would go, “Martin you’re losing it.” But now many places are utilizing the waste energy that is coming out of our landfills and water treatment plants to do that very thing.
Did your interest in sustainability come from your childhood, or did it develop later?
It developed later. The whole issue of aquaculture, urban aquaculture - these systems are perfect for growing a lot of fish in a small area, and they are very environmentally friendly. So working with aquaculture, it became clear that there were a lot of opponents to aquaculture. I always point out that, it’s not my term - people use it, but it’s the Blue Revolution. I point out that we had the Industrial Revolution, and the Green Revolution, and we have all these problems that we’re still living with 100 years later. So whatever problems that we have in aquaculture are problems that we need to address, rather than run from. And one of these is the issue of sustainability. That’s one of the things we’re trying to work on. We’re trying to find alternate food sources for these animals so we don’t have to feed them fish meal and fish oil.
Are you familiar with the Slow Food movement?
Slow Food, yeah, there’s a big push in New York. A magazine just came out called Edible Brooklyn. There’s a big push and great interest, and the proliferation of the green markets is uncanny. This sudden thrust of eating what you’re growing and being the farmer.
Can Slow Food go hand-in-hand with aquaculture?
Back to the Blue Revolution. These are issues that need to be contended with. Certainly there are energy costs associated with this technology, but there are energy costs with flying them and trucking them to the place of consumption. So there are trade-offs on that. New York is now growing lambs and making cheeses that are not indigenous to this area. I guess it’s called progress.